Specimen 40792 – myFOSSIL

Hi all. I’m new here. This is the first of a few specimens I’ve been trying to identify for awhile now. I found this one in St. Louis, mo. Thoughts? #fossil

Carrie Jolene posted a new specimen in the group Education and Outreach from the myFOSSIL app 6 years, 6 months ago

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Carrie Jolene has contributed a new specimen to myFOSSIL!
- MacKenzie Smith replied 6 years, 6 months ago
  
  Hi Carrie. Many rocks in that area are Carboniferous (359-299 million years old) and further southwest they are Ordovician (485-444 million years old). Those hollow chambers tell me that you have some sort of cephalopod (the taxonomic class of Cephalopoda) whith the group that countains modern octopi amd squid in addition to the extinct ammonites.…[Read more]
- Carrie Jolene replied 6 years, 6 months ago
  
  Thanks for the guidance!
- Jennifer Bauer replied 6 years, 6 months ago
  
  Is the rock really hard? Can you scratch it with the coin? I’ve found chert chunks with molds of fossils in Missouri. So no fossil remains but just an empty hole where the fossils were. I think they were Carboniferous in age! Many of the fossils were crinoid stems and looked like an imprint of a stack of Cheerios or smarties.

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How do I go figuring out the age and name of the rock I was collecting in?
- A starting place would be to ask the group or organization that you went collecting with for information on the outcrop you visited. There are also several apps for your mobile phone or other devices that can help you better estimate where you are in geologic time. Mancos costs $2.99 through the Apple Store and provides you with data on your location including geologic age, the rock formation, description of the rock, what units are above and below, and what sort of fossils you should expect to find in the rock. Rockd is free and available in the Apple Store and on Google Play. Similarly, Rockd tells you where are with latitude and longitude data, elevation, what age, what the rock type is, what rock unit you are on, and the functionality continues. You are able to check in at outcrops, use a compass, examine ancient continent arrangements, and learn about different rock forming minerals within the app.
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What is the difference between a group, formation, and member?
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I’m concerned my specimen is not research grade material, does that matter?
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